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  Im hearing some say that the Org is about to reverse the No Blood policy - about to change...

  by BeaverEater in

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  uh, i wonder if that is true... hearing this from friends within bethel... gonna laugh my ass of if they change this....

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  Sea Breeze

  If they ever remove it,,, they will be sued out of existence.

  Meanwhile, the beatings (murders) will continue until moral improves.
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  How Does WT Explain away, "Absent from the Body, Present with the Lord"?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  5now he that wrought us for this very thing is god, who gave unto us the earnest of the spirit.6being therefore always of good courage, and knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the lord 7(for we walk by faith, not by sight); 8we are of good courage, i say, and are willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be at home with the lord.

  9wherefore also we make it our aim, whether at home or absent, to be well-pleasing unto him.. since watchtower teaches there is only one "you" and not three (soul, body & spirit); how do jw's deal with the fact that scripture says that it is possible for a person to be absent from their body and to be present with the lord in heaven?when i was pioneering, i don't recall a householder every dropping this verse on me; and i'm not sure how i would have handled it if they did.

  what say you?.

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  It is totally different than WT teaching and we all know it.
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  How Does WT Explain away, "Absent from the Body, Present with the Lord"?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  5now he that wrought us for this very thing is god, who gave unto us the earnest of the spirit.6being therefore always of good courage, and knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the lord 7(for we walk by faith, not by sight); 8we are of good courage, i say, and are willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be at home with the lord.

  9wherefore also we make it our aim, whether at home or absent, to be well-pleasing unto him.. since watchtower teaches there is only one "you" and not three (soul, body & spirit); how do jw's deal with the fact that scripture says that it is possible for a person to be absent from their body and to be present with the lord in heaven?when i was pioneering, i don't recall a householder every dropping this verse on me; and i'm not sure how i would have handled it if they did.

  what say you?.

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  Sea Breeze

  @Rattigan:
  
  

  These verses are not taking about a resurrection. A resurrection ONLY occurs when the soul, body and spirit of a person is rejoined.

  Dead souls can talk, remember and feel:

  'I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

  10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

  11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled'. - Rev. 6:9-11
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  What Does The Organization Really Teach?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  Im hearing some say that the Org is about to reverse the No Blood policy - about to change...

  by BeaverEater in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  uh, i wonder if that is true... hearing this from friends within bethel... gonna laugh my ass of if they change this....

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  Sea Breeze

  The blood of these children is 'crying out to me from the ground.'

  Not only the children but suicides from shunning as well.
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  How Does WT Explain away, "Absent from the Body, Present with the Lord"?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  5now he that wrought us for this very thing is god, who gave unto us the earnest of the spirit.6being therefore always of good courage, and knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the lord 7(for we walk by faith, not by sight); 8we are of good courage, i say, and are willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be at home with the lord.

  9wherefore also we make it our aim, whether at home or absent, to be well-pleasing unto him.. since watchtower teaches there is only one "you" and not three (soul, body & spirit); how do jw's deal with the fact that scripture says that it is possible for a person to be absent from their body and to be present with the lord in heaven?when i was pioneering, i don't recall a householder every dropping this verse on me; and i'm not sure how i would have handled it if they did.

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  How does this soul, without a body, interact in heaven (in any religious teaching)?

  Apparently, fairly well. But, the souls want their bodies back so they can be whole again.... as originally designed, but with a major systems upgrade. But, still a physical body.

  Phil. 3: 21 - Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body - KJV
  
  
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  How Does WT Explain away, "Absent from the Body, Present with the Lord"?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  5now he that wrought us for this very thing is god, who gave unto us the earnest of the spirit.6being therefore always of good courage, and knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the lord 7(for we walk by faith, not by sight); 8we are of good courage, i say, and are willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be at home with the lord.

  9wherefore also we make it our aim, whether at home or absent, to be well-pleasing unto him.. since watchtower teaches there is only one "you" and not three (soul, body & spirit); how do jw's deal with the fact that scripture says that it is possible for a person to be absent from their body and to be present with the lord in heaven?when i was pioneering, i don't recall a householder every dropping this verse on me; and i'm not sure how i would have handled it if they did.

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  Their NWT is pretty clear that this only applies to spirit anointed Christians and not to ‘all’ Christians.

  I agree but that is stating the obvious. The NT was written to various congregations of believers, all of which were annointed until Russell invented the two-class salvation doctrine - one salvation with the new covenant and another one without it.
  
  So, there is no problem with whom it applies. The question is what does the WT think is absent from the body if not a person?

  [V.8] We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. - KJV

  
  
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  How Does WT Explain away, "Absent from the Body, Present with the Lord"?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  2. bible

  5now he that wrought us for this very thing is god, who gave unto us the earnest of the spirit.6being therefore always of good courage, and knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the lord 7(for we walk by faith, not by sight); 8we are of good courage, i say, and are willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be at home with the lord.

  9wherefore also we make it our aim, whether at home or absent, to be well-pleasing unto him.. since watchtower teaches there is only one "you" and not three (soul, body & spirit); how do jw's deal with the fact that scripture says that it is possible for a person to be absent from their body and to be present with the lord in heaven?when i was pioneering, i don't recall a householder every dropping this verse on me; and i'm not sure how i would have handled it if they did.

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  @watcher

  The chapter starts off talking about our bodies as a temporary tent.

  2 Cor. 5: 1 - For we know that if the earthly house of our tabernacle be dissolved, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal, in the heavens.

  Paul describes our bodies in this fallen world as a temporary dwelling place, like a tent (tabernacle) that our consciousness resides in. It is not built to last forever. It provides minimal shelter from the elements for a short time, like a tent. Waiting in eternity, for all who are in Christ, is a dwelling place that will last forever..

  "I say, and are willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be at home with the Lord"

  So once our consciousness leaves our body (our current home or tabernacle), we automatically have a home in heaven. It is the person that is translated at death.
  
  I don't see how the WT can get arond this scripture in claiming that we are a body only with no other identity like a spirt or soul that continues on somewhere after the demise of the body.
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  Sea Breeze

  Recent reports indicate that in some lands the number of Bible studies is decreasing.

  Translation: In nations that are connected to the internet, reports indicate that people aren't as gullible as they used to be.
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  How Does WT Explain away, "Absent from the Body, Present with the Lord"?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  5now he that wrought us for this very thing is god, who gave unto us the earnest of the spirit.6being therefore always of good courage, and knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the lord 7(for we walk by faith, not by sight); 8we are of good courage, i say, and are willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be at home with the lord.

  9wherefore also we make it our aim, whether at home or absent, to be well-pleasing unto him.. since watchtower teaches there is only one "you" and not three (soul, body & spirit); how do jw's deal with the fact that scripture says that it is possible for a person to be absent from their body and to be present with the lord in heaven?when i was pioneering, i don't recall a householder every dropping this verse on me; and i'm not sure how i would have handled it if they did.

  what say you?.

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  Sea Breeze

  5Now he that wrought us for this very thing is God, who gave unto us the earnest of the Spirit.
  6Being therefore always of good courage, and knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord 7(for we walk by faith, not by sight); 8we are of good courage, I say, and are willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be at home with the Lord. 9Wherefore also we make it our aim, whether at home or absent, to be well-pleasing unto him.

  Since Watchtower teaches there is only one "You" and not three (soul, body & spirit); how do JW's deal with the fact that scripture says that it is possible for a person to be absent from their body and to be present with the Lord in heaven?
  
  When I was pioneering, I don't recall a householder every dropping this verse on me; and I'm not sure how I would have handled it if they did.
  
  What say you?